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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think you’re copping out&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In as much as &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; don&#039;t have to make a decision about font size. But, as you say, no&#8211;one bothers changing the default font size, so &lt;em&gt;no&#8211;one&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; making the decision (if that makes sense).

I guess more people do resize text on the fly (doesn&#039;t Safari place the resize buttons on its toolbar by default? But no &lt;em&gt;New tab&lt;/em&gt; button? Odd.) It&#039;d be grand if you could measure how many people are resizing text.

Anyway, the current version of this blog has text that&#039;s sized absolutely (body copy 14px). I think all modern browsers excepting IE6 can resize absolute units with no problems, so I&#039;m veering towards using this approach in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think you’re copping out</p></blockquote>
<p>In as much as <em>I</em> don&#8217;t have to make a decision about font size. But, as you say, no&ndash;one bothers changing the default font size, so <em>no&ndash;one&#8217;s</em> making the decision (if that makes sense).</p>
<p>I guess more people do resize text on the fly (doesn&#8217;t Safari place the resize buttons on its toolbar by default? But no <em>New tab</em> button? Odd.) It&#8217;d be grand if you could measure how many people are resizing text.</p>
<p>Anyway, the current version of this blog has text that&#8217;s sized absolutely (body copy 14px). I think all modern browsers excepting IE6 can resize absolute units with no problems, so I&#8217;m veering towards using this approach in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tuck</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a frequent subject of discussion on SP&#039;s forums, and it isn&#039;t settled there, either. One of the guys whom I respect the most, Dan Schulz, agrees with you:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve always sized text using font-size: 100%/1em so that it respects the user’s settings&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re in good company, and I don&#039;t think you&#039;re copping out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a frequent subject of discussion on SP&#8217;s forums, and it isn&#8217;t settled there, either. One of the guys whom I respect the most, Dan Schulz, agrees with you:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve always sized text using font-size: 100%/1em so that it respects the user’s settings</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re in good company, and I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re copping out.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-2346</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Firstly, thanks for taking the time to sprinkle my blog with so many comments!

Yes, I agree - and having done some digging around on the internet the question now seems flawed because the (non)answer is so self evident.

I&#039;ve always sized text using &lt;code&gt;font-size: 100%/1em&lt;/code&gt; so that it respects the user&#039;s settings, but, as I state above, that&#039;s a bit of a cop out.

There&#039;s a lot of web design folk lore out there: measures of 66 characters or 10-15 words, leadings of 150% font size, golden ratios etc. but little &#8220;science&amp;#8221.

What I have learned is that the choice is contextual (i.e. relates to many other settings, such as measure and leading) and variable (i.e. dependent on monitor quality, reader age etc.) Then there&#039;s the final aesthetic considerations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Firstly, thanks for taking the time to sprinkle my blog with so many comments!</p>
<p>Yes, I agree &#8211; and having done some digging around on the internet the question now seems flawed because the (non)answer is so self evident.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always sized text using <code>font-size: 100%/1em</code> so that it respects the user&#8217;s settings, but, as I state above, that&#8217;s a bit of a cop out.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of web design folk lore out there: measures of 66 characters or 10-15 words, leadings of 150% font size, golden ratios etc. but little &#8220;science&#8221.</p>
<p>What I have learned is that the choice is contextual (i.e. relates to many other settings, such as measure and leading) and variable (i.e. dependent on monitor quality, reader age etc.) Then there&#8217;s the final aesthetic considerations.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tuck</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My upcoming article in SitePoint about font stacks will answer all these questions.... LOL, it won&#039;t answer any and will probably start fights. But at least the questions will be addressed. I spent two months doing some relatively intense research and I can give you one honest answer to the question of &quot;the right default font size for a site:&quot; damned if I know. I do know that 99.94% of users (give or take) don&#039;t know where their browser settings are, much less how to reset them, so we have to design with that in mind.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://andreagandino.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrea Gardino&lt;/a&gt;, whom Leon was kind enough to steer me towards, does lovely work with Georgia as his main typeface, largely through subtle tweaking of line-height and letter-spacing, and by designing for the typeface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My upcoming article in SitePoint about font stacks will answer all these questions&#8230;. LOL, it won&#8217;t answer any and will probably start fights. But at least the questions will be addressed. I spent two months doing some relatively intense research and I can give you one honest answer to the question of &#8220;the right default font size for a site:&#8221; damned if I know. I do know that 99.94% of users (give or take) don&#8217;t know where their browser settings are, much less how to reset them, so we have to design with that in mind.</p>
<p><a href="http://andreagandino.com/" rel="nofollow">Andrea Gardino</a>, whom Leon was kind enough to steer me towards, does lovely work with Georgia as his main typeface, largely through subtle tweaking of line-height and letter-spacing, and by designing for the typeface.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-2015</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - yes, 16px text, especially sans-serif, often seems to rub people up the wrong way.  It&#039;s this &#039;emotional&#039; response I&#039;m interested in: is it just a matter of &#039;taste&#039;, do readers somehow feel patronised by it (by a &#039;toy town&#039; font size) or does it somehow make for more difficult reading in some circumstances?

I do think there is an issue with a shorter measure and larger font sizes: I&#039;ll probably increase the measure in the next site redesign.

Thanks,

Leon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; yes, 16px text, especially sans-serif, often seems to rub people up the wrong way.  It&#8217;s this &#8216;emotional&#8217; response I&#8217;m interested in: is it just a matter of &#8216;taste&#8217;, do readers somehow feel patronised by it (by a &#8216;toy town&#8217; font size) or does it somehow make for more difficult reading in some circumstances?</p>
<p>I do think there is an issue with a shorter measure and larger font sizes: I&#8217;ll probably increase the measure in the next site redesign.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Leon</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-2004</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously I&#039;m just one case, but I&#039;m in my 20s and I would say that 16px text is probably just a tad larger than I would choose for myself. Then again, I tend to lean toward the screen more than I should, so maybe 16px is perfect for leisurely reading?

In any case, I don&#039;t think you can go wrong in the 13px-16px range when it comes to body copy. At 12px I definitely want to &quot;zoom&quot; the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously I&#8217;m just one case, but I&#8217;m in my 20s and I would say that 16px text is probably just a tad larger than I would choose for myself. Then again, I tend to lean toward the screen more than I should, so maybe 16px is perfect for leisurely reading?</p>
<p>In any case, I don&#8217;t think you can go wrong in the 13px-16px range when it comes to body copy. At 12px I definitely want to &#8220;zoom&#8221; the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nox,

Firstly, thanks for the links&#8212;very helpful.

Secondly&#8212;I think designers prefer small text because it looks like nice, even&#8211;edged boxes rather than an uneven, unjustified mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nox,</p>
<p>Firstly, thanks for the links&mdash;very helpful.</p>
<p>Secondly&mdash;I think designers prefer small text because it looks like nice, even&ndash;edged boxes rather than an uneven, unjustified mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Nox</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-1912</link>
		<dc:creator>Nox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice that designers tend to prefer smaller font sizes than users do. I have no idea why that might be, but it&#039;s something I&#039;ve seen often.

Some interesting discussions about font szes/typography for the web:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=24248&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arial vs Vernada?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=32812&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What&#039;s the right default font size for a website?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that designers tend to prefer smaller font sizes than users do. I have no idea why that might be, but it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve seen often.</p>
<p>Some interesting discussions about font szes/typography for the web:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=24248" rel="nofollow">Arial vs Vernada?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=32812" rel="nofollow">What&#8217;s the right default font size for a website?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Felipe,

Thanks for the comment - good to know you get something from the articles.

Yes, that&#039;s part of the problem: the subjectivity.  I currently have body copy set to &lt;code&gt;100% 1em&lt;/code&gt;, which, in theory, lets the reader decide.  Except I doubt most people know how to change their default settings, let alone bother.  And when people say they find 16px helvetica/arial hard to read, or that it&#039;s &#039;ugly&#039;, then that causes a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Felipe,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment &#8211; good to know you get something from the articles.</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s part of the problem: the subjectivity.  I currently have body copy set to <code>100% 1em</code>, which, in theory, lets the reader decide.  Except I doubt most people know how to change their default settings, let alone bother.  And when people say they find 16px helvetica/arial hard to read, or that it&#8217;s &#8216;ugly&#8217;, then that causes a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Felipe Dário</title>
		<link>http://leonpaternoster.com/2008/12/readability-and-font-sizes/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>Felipe Dário</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Larger&quot; is so relative... A 20px Verdana, Arial or Georgia, for example, may look to bold.

I try to keep with the user default for body copy.

Thanks for your excellent articles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Larger&#8221; is so relative&#8230; A 20px Verdana, Arial or Georgia, for example, may look to bold.</p>
<p>I try to keep with the user default for body copy.</p>
<p>Thanks for your excellent articles!</p>
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